Sharon Cobb co-author of Secrets of Selling Your Script to Hollywood!
March 11th, 2004
by: Kenna Mchugh
Sharon Y. Cobb, a former race
car driver and rock musician, is originally from Florida. She once
owned and operated an advertising agency/public relations firm and
a publishing company. She has been a magazine editor and a free-lance
journalist.
She also co-authored a book, Secrets of Selling Your Script
to Hollywood! with UCLA instructor Neill Hicks. Sharon
even lectures about screenwriting at UCLA and many other educational
venues. She has served as a judge for screenwriting competitions
and the Cable ACE Awards. I caught up with Sharon in cyberspace
while she was between her screenwriting jaunts and web page column,
Point of View Hollywood. In this interview Sharon
clarifies and gives a poignant example of what "pitching" a story
(script) is all about.
Kenna: Tell us a little about your background and what are you
currently working on?
Sharon: I owned an advertising/marketing agency in Florida,
then opened a publishing company where I was editor and journalist.
I began fiction writing when I lived in Key West about ten years
ago and started writing features in 1989. I came to LA four years
ago, just in time for the firestorm and earthquake festival.
On several of my current projects I work with wonderful partners.
Bill Kelley (Academy Award for co-writing WITNESS starring Harrison
Ford) and I have written a spec script based on Bill's novel,
THE TYREE LEGEND (also the name of the script). My agent, Joe
Gatta at Paradigm, is taking it out to producers this weekend
(September 6 & 7) and that's pretty exciting, especially since
I love the story and characters so much.
There's a TV project, an hour-long drama, I'm working on with
Alexandra Seros (THE SPECIALIST, POINT OF NO RETURN). She's a
brilliant woman and marvelous writer. Our third partner is Susan
Emerling who is a great documentary producer.
Another partner is Brent Reed, former Space Station Operations
Manager for NASA, and we have a Movie-of-the-Week deal with Orly
Adelson Productions and Citadel. They're taking our "disaster"
movie into NBC next week, so keep your fingers crossed.
The independent film world fascinates me, so I'm now writing
a script on assignment for indie producers. And I sold another
independent-voiced spec script called BAJA TRIANGLE to director
Andrew Gallerani last year and he's going into pre-production
now. I was brought in by Andy last fall to rewrite a script he
was preparing to direct called JUST WRITE. They made the picture
starring JoBeth Williams and Sherilyn Fenn and the film won Best
of the Fest at the Santa Barbara Film Festival this year!
Kenna: Wow! You have been busy! How has being a former PR/Marketing
person who has also worked in publishing helped you in Hollywood?
Sharon: That background gave me a distinct advantage. I approach
the screenwriting business like any other business and it's especially
like advertising where I created campaigns, pitched to the clients
and worked with them refining the final product. When you own
your own business you must be deadline-driven, disciplined and
dedicated, or you're having a "Going Out Of Business" sale pretty
soon. Same thing with the screenwriting business.
Kenna: Do you lean toward the plot driven aspect or character
driven aspect of the screenplay when you write or polish a script?
Sharon: Both. The specs I write to be sold on the spec market
are more a plot driven, although I like to include very strong
character subplots to convey the humanity and emotion of the story.
Then I also write small character-driven stories that are more
independent-oriented. Maybe I'll produce or direct one of those
one day.
Kenna: You novelized "Touched by an Angel" from a TV script.
I have listened to authors talk of doing that and it seems to
be quite a process. What was it like for you?
Sharon: I was very lucky to be referred by my friend Linda Seger
to the "Touched by and Angel" producers, who were extraordinarily
wonderful to work with. I mean, it's great to work on a project
that is inspirational to so many people. There was one small complication--they
needed me to write a hundred-page book in ten days. The novelization
was based on two Christmas episodes of the show and I had to decide
what dialog to use, how much backstory to add and get into the
heads of the characters. The good news was that they would give
me the two scripts on disk, their show's "bible," and all the
phone conversations I needed for input. The other news was that
there had been at least one other writer on the project and what
they had written wasn't exactly what the producers were looking
for, which added pressure to come up with something they would
like, even though I couldn't actually see what the other writer's
style was like.
The challenge was capturing in prose the tone and essence of
that marvelously rich show. So, I just sat down and pounded out
Chapter One as I watched the tape. The experience of it felt really
good and when I read the prose they sounded like the show to me--but
what did I know--I wasn't the producers. I faxed Chapter One and
waited. Late the next day, I was still holding my breath when
Marcie Gold called and said they loved it, it captured the voice
of the show, and sorry they hadn't called sooner. "Touched by
an Angel" had received five Emmy nominations that morning and
they had been swamped with media on the set.
After they approved the first chapter, I'd write a chapter and
fax to them in Salt Lake City, Utah and they'd mark changes, like:
use more of the dialog from the tape here, reword this sentence,
etc. There were very few changes that they needed, so I finished
the book before the deadline, leaving time for my amazing proof-reader,
David Fulk, to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s. Then I
sent it to the producers via e-mail: eleven chapters, 76 pages.
As it turned out we didn't need to go to 100 pages.
The show's staff I worked with, Marcie, Lisa and David were
always available to answer questions and provide research I needed.
It was a marvelous experience and hope I will be able to work
with them on their future novelizations.
Kenna: How do you "pitch" a project or script?
Sharon: It depends on what kind of pitching I'm doing. If I've
got a "get-acquainted" meeting scheduled with a producer or studio
exec I research the person I'm meeting with through the Internet
or Hollywood Creative Directory, etc. Then I get a list of credits
for the company or studio (usually available online), and I pull
up their current projects in development on Development Source,
a database updated every two weeks of all the films in development
in Hollywood. From that information I decide what to pitch. If
they have produced and are currently developing comedies, that's
what I prepare. I will have at least three commercial comedy pitches
ready--title, genre, log line. Each should take a minute or two
to pitch. I also will probably bring a list of other genre pitches.
The point is not actually for them to buy the pitch, but to let
them know what kinds of spec scripts I will be writing in the
future. Sort of a promotion for scripts they may get from my agent
later.
If it's a serious pitch meeting--meaning the producer could
possibly buy the pitch and pay you to write it--that's a different
kind of pitch. My partner Bill Kelley and I pitched THE TYREE
LEGEND before we wrote it. We met with over twenty production
companies and studios, with most of those meetings concentrated
within a one week period because Bill and his wife Nina don't
live in LA and Bill had to come in for the meetings. That many
pitches in one week was pretty exciting, especially near the end
of the week when production companies started hearing about the
pitch and called our agents to get on the pitch schedule.
We came extremely close to selling the project to Avnet-Kerner
and Miramax. Avnet-Kerner loved it, Bill and I went to Miramax
with Shari Kimoto (Avnet-Kerner exec) to pitch, and the Miramax
exec said "Yes!" But we were very disappointed to hear a week
or so later that the deal fell apart. Probably because Sean Connery's
company was talking with Avnet-Kerner about coming in as co-producers
with Connery starring and Jon Avnet directing, and the budget
was escalating out of Miramax's range.
The actual pitch was long--about 25 minutes. When you expect
to sell a pitch you have to pump as much detail and emotion into
the story as you can without losing the listener. Pitching is
a special form of contemporary storytelling. It's very different
from writing the story down in a synopsis, outline or treatment
and certainly different than a script. I think someone listening
to a story can get confused much easier than someone reading the
same story, so you have to be careful about adding unnecessary
detail that complicates the audio path of the story.
A good pitch is a good performance. If the listener doesn't
feel the emotion, whether that's sadness or happiness, or whatever,
then you're less likely to sell the pitch. THE TYREE LEGEND is
a suspense drama and one of the protagonists is murdered and she's
an innocent victim. She's someone we have grown to love and when
she's murdered at the second turning point, it's a very traumatic
event for many of the characters in the story--and it better be
for the producer or studio exec who's taking the pitch.
Since the pitch was based on the novel Bill wrote in the late
Seventies, Bill always started the pitch by telling why he wrote
the novel. Then I would do the entire 25-minute pitch without
stopping. Well, almost without stopping, because when our female
protagonist is murdered--that was a very difficult scene to describe,
especially when our main protagonist, who is deeply in love with
her, finds her murdered. I can still feel that horrible blackness
sweeping over me as I'm talking about it now. And that's the kind
of powerful emotion that you must deliver when you're pitching.
You've probably heard that production companies and studios
are buying pitches again. So that's great. It's much better working
up a beat-sheet (2-page broad stroke outline) for a story and
going in to pitch it, rather than spending a month or two writing
an entire screenplay. Although I think it's unlikely that a studio
or producer will buy a pitch from an unknown writer. Most pitches
are being bought from established writers who have written at
least one big spec script that sold, or wrote a blockbuster that
did well. The people who buy want to be certain that you can deliver
a script before they make a deal with you to buy a pitch.
Kenna: What type of yardstick to do use when you judge a competition
in the industry?
Sharon: Each competition has it's own script evaluation form.
The competitions for which I have judged send the completed critique
back to the writer, which I hope is helpful. Elements like: structure,
originality, plot development, character, writing style and format
are some of the main areas covered in competition evaluation forms.
It's extremely important to wow a judge with your first ten
pages. If you come out of the gate with vivid characters, a setting
we haven't seen a lot before, with a scene that's unique and great
authentic dialog, then you've got a cheerleader for your script
right away. Believe me, every judge wants the next script they
read to be a great script, but unfortunately that's not usually
the case.
Evoking emotion, just like in pitching, is so important. I don't
mean melodramatic action, like in soap operas, but true, authentic
emotion. If you're writing a drama you've got to have conflict
and emotion. Go to the video store and rent every movie that's
every made you weep and figure out how the story and characters
did that. If you saw SPITFIRE GRILL, you'll know it was tough
to keep from shedding a tear near the end (I won't give away the
ending to those who haven't seen it). Even in comedy it's important
to evoke emotion. I think sometimes today's commercial movies
rely too much on plot and less on character and feelings. Why
not do both?
Kenna: How important is it to be in Los Angeles to work in the
film industry?
Sharon: Excellent question. I wrote screenplays for five years
before I got an apartment in LA in 1993. I had attended a super
conference called "Selling To Hollywood" sponsored by the Writers
Connection and every agent and producer I met there said I needed
to be in LA, so two months later I took an apartment in the slums
of Beverly Hills, right in the middle of the city. The first year
was really tough. I mean, adjusting to a metropolitan area of
9 million people, 6 million of them commuting on a daily basis,
after living in a small coastal town in Florida, was difficult.
And I left all my friends and family behind, which I still feel
was a huge price to pay. I only knew a couple of people here,
Linda Seger (author of "Making A Good Script Great" and now four
other books, including her newest--"When Women Call The Shots")
and Monika Skerbelis, then executive story editor at Universal
Pictures. Both women were helpful to me when I first came to LA,
and Linda referred my first paying writing assignment to me, which
I got a year and a half after coming to town.
I really believe that to get your career established, even in
feature, you gotta be here or come out for meetings at least once
every two months. The entertainment industry is a business of
relationships and developing those relationships is as important
as writing great scripts. There must be out-of-town writers who
write amazing scripts and find agents to rep them right away...I
just don't know anyone who has or have even heard of anyone who
has.
Networking is one of the most valuable things I do. One of the
great things about working in Hollywood is that your networking
can be done at parties. And there are some cool parties, I must
say.
Kenna: What barriers did you have to overcome to find success?
One of the first things for new writers is that they need to
understand how the film business works. That's one of the reasons
I suggest taking classes at UCLA, USC, other film schools, or
seminars. Writers don't only need to master the craft of screenwriting
and be phenomenally talented, but they must also have a vast working
knowledge of the business. Or you could develop a network of friends
who are producers, directors, actors and other writers and learn
it as you go. But I'm a big proponent of not reinventing the wheel.
Also there are lots of books available now on how the business
works.
I guess the largest barrier most writers face is the financial
dilemma. How do you have time to write when you're working a full-time
job, or how do you pay the bills when you're writing full-time
with no income in the beginning? I underestimated the time it
would take to support myself with screenwriting, so I came to
LA with a small "war-chest" which quickly became depleted. The
cost-of-living is outrageous in LA, and finances I thought would
last a year were gone in six months. Then I took a contract as
Editor-in-Chief of Coastal Home magazine, a new publication started
by Jack Thomasson a friend whom I had worked with previously.
That lasted for about a year, then Jack sold the the magazine
to a subsidiary of Time-Warner and it became Coastal Living which
is on the newsstand nationwide now. Since Jack was supportive
of my screenwriting career, just as long as I met deadlines (which
I always did), I could go to meetings any time and also write
screenplays.
So my advice is don't quit your day job until you sell a script
that will pay all your expenses for at least a year. I have a
friend who works for MGM and he goes into his office an hour early
every day to write, which means he has to get up at five o'clock.
But he gets it done. His dedication to writing is inspirational.
Other writers I know who are not supporting themselves with their
writing take temp jobs at the studios or production companies
so they can write part-time and make contacts when they are working.
Another extraordinarily huge barrier for some writers is something
called rejection. Here's my slogan: Reject rejection! So many
writers write one script and then when agents won't represent
it, or producers say "No thank you" the writer feels like digging
a hole and crawling in...but what a writer needs to know is: just
because an agent won't represent their script and a producer doesn't
hand them a quarter of a million dollars to buy it doesn't mean
that it's not good...or even great. It could mean that it's not
commercial, or that it's too derivative, or that it's just not
right for that agent or producer.
You have to believe in yourself and in your writing. If you
aren't confident in your writing, then take classes, work on your
craft until everyone says, "Hey, this is really good." Then once
you've learned the craft, learn the business and find out what's
selling and what's not. If you're writing spec scripts there's
a new resource you must have. It's called the Spec Screenplay
Sales Directory, published by Howie Meibach at In Good Company
Products here in LA (310-828-4946). It lists all the scripts that
have sold on spec (meaning you wrote it on your own time hoping
to sell it) between 1990 and 1997. It's a rich resource and has
each script that sold listed by title, genre, writer, who bought
it for how much, what agent and which agency sold it and even
a log line. Who wants to be spending a few months or a few years
writing a story that's already sold?
Tenacity, determination, unwavering confidence that you're doing
the right thing--all those things are invaluable in this business.
If your destiny is to be a film writer, you will find a way to
do it.
Kenna: What do you mean by "to derivative?"
Sharon: A script that is too derivative is a collective regurgitation
of underlying concepts, similar scenes, familiar characters from
other movies. For instance, if you meet with companies that produce
action pictures, their execs will say, "We don't want Die Hard
on anything," meaning they have been Die Harded to death. Taking
any story, even a wonderful story like Die Hard, and reworking
the story to be "Die Hard on a bus," or "Die Hard on a ship,"
or "Die Hard on an ice cream truck," leads to tired, formulaic
cinema. The joke around town for a while was that a really young
new writer was pitching "Die Hard in a building" (which, or course,
was the setting of the original Die Hard.) As writers are trying
to break in, they will have an easier time of it if they can combine
some comfortable current Hollywood storytelling trends with a
fresh new take of their own.
Kenna: Which writing career do you feel has less obstacles than
the others?
Sharon: No matter whether you're following your dream of becoming
a writer for film, television or novels, there will be obstacles.
Having a career as a well-paid, full-time writer is like starring
in your own Action-Adventure movie...especially in Hollywood.
You just want to make sure that you conquer the antagonist in
the end. The antagonist can be anything--financial concerns, writers'
block, your own introverted personality--anything. I will say
that from my own personal perspective I think that writing for
film could be an easier way in. Although the voracious demand
for TV product grows daily with the international market place
expanding rapidly, there are only a finite number of staff writing
positions on television shows. I know several extraordinarily
talented writers who have won every writing competition in existence,
but can't get a job on a sitcom. It looks like a very political
arena and absolutely favors relationships. It's who you know and
who knows your writing and loves your writing and how you interact
with the other writers "in the room."
With film, if you can figure out how to support yourself while
you are writing specs, you can write what you'll think will sell
and have some chance at attracting an agent and eventually a sell.
It's a very entrepreneurial job. So you're your own boss and your
success is 100% your personal responsibility.
With independent film doing so well, that opens doors to new
writers. Although low-budget producers want to pay as little as
possible for an option (an agreement with the writer to buy rights
to their screenplay and pay them later if the producer gets the
film made), more independent films are being made now than ever...and
there's no film without a script (unless you're Mike Leigh, of
course).
I'm not that knowledgeable about novel writing careers, so I
won't comment about that, except to say that I'm sure submitting
your manuscript and getting it back with a "no thanks" note is
much like getting a "pass" on your screenplay. And that leads
me to reiterate: Reject rejection! Focus on your positive goal
of having a successful writing career and let nothing stand in
your way.
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